Curse

Shadow_Avenger · Jul 28, 2005, 05:42 PM // 17:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mormegil

..loading..

..loading..

..loading..

10mbit here, can download 700 mb in roughly 15 minutes.

SW: Galaxies is an epitome to the worst programming EVER.

Not tried SW, playing EQ2 and have no issues with lag, loading etc. With EQ2 people who have said issues have either a poor connection, or have set the graphics settings too high for their humble PC.

Still log onto GW for the occational game with friends, but it no longer holds a addiction factor for me.

Dax · Jul 28, 2005, 05:50 PM // 17:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by noblepaladin

I think GuildWars struck gold in the MMOG community when they made no monthly fees. Even though the game was intended for PvP, they got a lot more PvE players (perhaps even more than PvP) than expected. Sure you can keep saying "This game was designed for PvP, if you don't like it leave", but that is certainly not a wise decision for ANet. I hope they will figure out some way to adapt the game so it's more suitable and longer for the PvE people, because there is a huge market there.

I agree. Also much like City of Heros, I think they tried to offer a MMO(rpg-ish) that tries to take everything that people hate about MMOs out (the grind). In my opinion, it is 'the grind' that makes a MMORPG part of the fun.

I've found GW a fun game, but it simply has no depth, and nothing really to look forward too, no crafting, ect. On top of that in the short time the game has been out people have found ways (exploit) to go through the game even quicker. What's even funnier is that game boast non-grind people are complaining it is.

WoW is another MMORPG that has tried to take some of the sting out of the grind, but atleast there are goals and things to look forward to. There are so many things to do. You have crafting, ect. Everyone says people are immature, but I have seen more immature people on GW. While somewhat casual, WoW is a good fit. And the few PvP encounters I've been in , it's been a rush.

I'm not hating GW, actually I'm playing both. But if GW wasn't free I definately wouldn't play it. It's more of a single player game as far as PvE is concerned, IMO. I want a game that's going to last awhile.

Numa Pompilius · Jul 28, 2005, 06:00 PM // 18:00

It appears I was wrong. Some people do want to pay $230 to play one game for one year.

Well, I'll be sure to check WoW out the day it's got a public demo, like I did EQ2. With so many people loving it that much, perhaps it is so good under that ugly graphic that I can get in to it.

Dumachum · Jul 28, 2005, 07:03 PM // 19:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrokenSymmetry

I always find it very strange that people expect infinite playing time from a game that they payed a one-time sum for. I payed $44 for Guild Wars, and I have already played more than 400 hours. Most console games that cost the same amount I have played 10-20 hours, never to return to again. The longest I have ever played on any other console or PC game is 100 hours (Morrowind). Seen in that light, Guild Wars offers incredible value for its money.

The difference is.....

$50 regular game with 30 hours of gameplay. = you play it 30 hours and stop.

$50 Guild Wars = You play for 30 hours then everything ceases to matter. You continue to play, pointlessly, for another 470 hours till you finally realize you've accomplished nothing RELEVENT in the previous 470 hours and you start wishing you had been "grinding" your gnome rogue on World of Warcraft instead.

And to the Idiot Savant guy who stated Guild Wars is a "competetive game"...

HAHA, You're funny.

The only thing competetive in GW is Lions Arch district 1 seeing who can sell their 187346th identical 15-22 ^15% sword for the most in trade.

Exploiting bugged skills, Lord ganking, cheap tactics, FOTM, rock-paper-scissors etc is the farthest thing from "competetive" you can get.

This game has big time fundamental and content issues and the live team is not big enough due to the "free play" status to crank out fixes/reballances and new stuff in between exansions like games with a constant stream of income.

And joy, can't wait for the new expansion. Will I get to run through another 20 missions this time ALL of them at level 20 with 480hp and a 15-22 sword fighting copious level 24-28mobs that drop nothing but the same old same old like I have been doing since Crystal Desert?? And quests? For what? More pointless exp or a "different looking" collectors item with "maxed stats"?

Dax · Jul 28, 2005, 07:15 PM // 19:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Numa Pompilius

It appears I was wrong. Some people do want to pay $230 to play one game for one year.

Well, I'll be sure to check WoW out the day it's got a public demo, like I did EQ2. With so many people loving it that much, perhaps it is so good under that ugly graphic that I can get in to it.

Actually the amount varies with the amount of time you buy... not sure you figured that in or not. But yea people are, but seeing as how most people have went through GW several times already and it's been out how long?

I can debate over graphic styles, lack of openess, and gameplay all day, but in the end it's a matter of personal taste.

It's cool I can understand why people would prefer GW over a WoW or anyother MMORPG. It's easy and fast, people want instant gratification.

Ensign · Jul 28, 2005, 07:30 PM // 19:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dumachum

$50 Guild Wars = You play for 30 hours then everything ceases to matter.

You mean, you can't gain another level, there isn't a bigger sword, your carrot is gone, and you no longer see the point.

Congratulations, you're World of Warcraft's target audience.

Grind isn't fun. Killing the same mobs over and over is tediously boring. But people continue to do so for the same reason people play slot machines - in hopes of scoring the carrot. World of Warcraft has literally *months* of slot-machine carrot chasing.

Think about it. You spend a weekend leveling from 45 to 46, or whatever. You also 'upgrade' your equipment from level 45 to level 46 equipment. You can now take on level 46 mobs instead of 45 mobs, which have level 46 hit points and equipment.

Or, in short, your gameplay experience *has not changed in the slightest*. But the numbers got bigger so you've 'accomplished' something. I guess it doesn't matter if the game is tediously boring as long as you can make the numbers bigger, right?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dumachum

HAHA, You're funny.

I still wonder if it's actually worthwhile to respond to someone who doesn't like Guild Wars because he can't grind for hours every day, let alone whether or not I should pay attention to his opinion on PvP at all.

Because, you know, it isn't like he's actually ever *played* a competitive PvP match. Why would he? You can't level up.

Suffice to say that I've met numerous competitive Starcraft players, old M:tG players, and generally brilliant competitive gamers who believe that this game has, at the very least, the foundation to rival those as deeply strategic and tactical games. You mean people are 'Zerg Rushing' in PvP? Guess Starcraft isn't a competitive game. People are copying what the most successful teams are doing? Guess Magic is about as far from competitive as you can get. Rock-Paper-Scissors style counters? Oh nose, that's just the basis of *every* competitive game.

Good Game, Nubsauce.

Peace,
-CxE

Drakron · Jul 28, 2005, 07:44 PM // 19:44

Hell beats GW "after you lv20 the game ends" ... serious, after the desert the game became "mobs of things higher level that we are" that in a full party (since the game is not build for solo the area) most of the time drop crap if they drop anything.

And the carrot is gone for PvE, I am bloddy tired of you PvP go around talking about something you obvious dont care.

Tell me, if this game did not had PvP at all would be playing it?

Priest_Ezekiel · Jul 28, 2005, 07:48 PM // 19:48

The whole point of this thread was for everyone to go see this video

http://www.big-boys.com/articles/nudewow.html

not for there to be 3 pages of " WoW is better then GW and I don't care what you think "

so can we all sit down, watch the movie, and stop comparing

BurningPants · Jul 28, 2005, 07:49 PM // 19:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dumachum

And to the Idiot Savant guy who stated Guild Wars is a "competetive game"...

HAHA, You're funny.

The only thing competetive in GW is Lions Arch district 1 seeing who can sell their 187346th identical 15-22 ^15% sword for the most in trade.

Exploiting bugged skills, Lord ganking, cheap tactics, FOTM, rock-paper-scissors etc is the farthest thing from "competetive" you can get.

Well know I know you won't be getting to far in PvP. Way to demonstrate your lack of creativity for any strategy. The reason why you think it's rock paper scissors is because you probably run either Smite, Spike or Spirit never willing to actually develop your own strategy. Go look at any of the build boards and tell me how much Roshambo you can see.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ensign

Or, in short, your gameplay experience *has not changed in the slightest*. But the numbers got bigger so you've 'accomplished' something. I guess it doesn't matter if the game is tediously boring as long as you can make the numbers bigger, right?

Hit the nail right on the head. Finally someone puts it in terms that makes it easy to understand.

Magicmaster315 · Jul 28, 2005, 07:56 PM // 19:56

Look you all need to shut up, Guildwars is better and will be better by the time its been out as long as WoW personaly you couldnt get me to play WoW if it was free online. The graphics look too much like a bad cartoon to me and plus its like being in Felucia in Ultima except you dont have a choice of going back to a world where you dont get ganked. This in it self pisses me off that you all compare them, Guildwars did something that no other company wanted to do becasue it wasnt afraid to lose a little money. The people in guildwars look like people, the people in WoW looking freaking weird to me. Its growing on me but you could never get me to play wow i will not waste 180 dollars a year on a game. I wasted 100 playing ultima only to get bored with it and WoW seems no different to me.

Orochim4ru · Jul 28, 2005, 08:04 PM // 20:04

Go play ragnarok online if you want something to look forward to. When you hit level 99 (which will take years+ of grinding) you can feel like you've done something. Seriously, i've played WoW, and i've played GW, and if you have a large group of friends in both, GW is better. PvP is never stale, always fast paced, whereas in WoW if you were a caster, you'd be dead in 2 hits from a rogue, unless you were a shaman, because shamans kill everything.

Huge design issues, boring grinds, timesinks ala EQ to keep you playing a long time in order for you to pay more.. The game is BORING.

Priest_Ezekiel · Jul 28, 2005, 08:04 PM // 20:04

revert yourself to page 1, PLEASE

Mandy Memory · Jul 28, 2005, 08:07 PM // 20:07

wow > gw
but only because of the macarena...imagine a bunch of people doing /macarena *

other than that gw is way better

Priest_Ezekiel · Jul 28, 2005, 08:11 PM // 20:11

thank you for watching the video!

Dumachum · Jul 28, 2005, 08:20 PM // 20:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ensign

You mean, you can't gain another level, there isn't a bigger sword, your carrot is gone, and you no longer see the point.

Congratulations, you're World of Warcraft's target audience.

Grind isn't fun. Killing the same mobs over and over is tediously boring. But people continue to do so for the same reason people play slot machines - in hopes of scoring the carrot. World of Warcraft has literally *months* of slot-machine carrot chasing.

Think about it. You spend a weekend leveling from 45 to 46, or whatever. You also 'upgrade' your equipment from level 45 to level 46 equipment. You can now take on level 46 mobs instead of 45 mobs, which have level 46 hit points and equipment.

Or, in short, your gameplay experience *has not changed in the slightest*. But the numbers got bigger so you've 'accomplished' something. I guess it doesn't matter if the game is tediously boring as long as you can make the numbers bigger, right?

I still wonder if it's actually worthwhile to respond to someone who doesn't like Guild Wars because he can't grind for hours every day, let alone whether or not I should pay attention to his opinion on PvP at all.

Because, you know, it isn't like he's actually ever *played* a competitive PvP match. Why would he? You can't level up.

Suffice to say that I've met numerous competitive Starcraft players, old M:tG players, and generally brilliant competitive gamers who believe that this game has, at the very least, the foundation to rival those as deeply strategic and tactical games. You mean people are 'Zerg Rushing' in PvP? Guess Starcraft isn't a competitive game. People are copying what the most successful teams are doing? Guess Magic is about as far from competitive as you can get. Rock-Paper-Scissors style counters? Oh nose, that's just the basis of *every* competitive game.

Good Game, Nubsauce.

Peace,
-CxE

Oh please. Shut the **** up. You're aren't better then anyone else. You're an idiot who has bought into this BORK game, even spent immense time flaming this same BORK game with other "pseude-elitists" from alpha or beta or whatever you use to rationalise superiority. Now you're going to defend the game tooth and nail and turn on someone when someone OTHER THAN YOU starts attacking it.

Btw, I don't "pvp" anymore. Much like many of you "supposedly" claim. I was in a top 70 guild that used to GvG, not anymore. That guild is dead. Now I am in a guild of friends from outside this game and no longer guild HoH or GvG. I have gotten several non-blind invites from advancing guilds asking for my services after a few PUGs in HoH and freelancing occasionally filling in for some other guild HoH groups who were missing a member or 2.

Then again you knew that didn't you, "nubsauce"?

Keep your self-important flaming and foul mouth off the boards.
-Scaphism

Theus · Jul 28, 2005, 08:26 PM // 20:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dumachum

Oh please. Shut the **** up. You're aren't better then anyone else. You're an idiot who has bought into this shitty game, even spent immense time flaming this same shitty game with other "pseude-elitists" from alpha or beta or whatever you use to rationalise superiority. Now you're going to defend the game tooth and nail and turn on someone when someone OTHER THAN YOU starts attacking it.

Btw, I don't "pvp" anymore. Much like many of you "supposedly" claim. I was in a top 70 guild that used to GvG, not anymore. That guild is dead. Now I am in a guild of friends from outside this game and no longer guild HoH or GvG. I have gotten several non-blind invites from advancing guilds asking for my services after a few PUGs in HoH and freelancing occasionally filling in for some other guild HoH groups who were missing a member or 2.

Then again you knew that didn't you, "nubsauce"?

Can you point out the point of WoW then?

Cause I'd love to know what that is.

SOT · Jul 28, 2005, 08:27 PM // 20:27

This thread is a crime against reason

Fanta · Jul 28, 2005, 08:30 PM // 20:30

since this thread is supposed to be about the video, i think its pathetically stupid, i didnt laugh at it once. i thought it was just a poorly made video that you could do with a lot of the games that are out there right now. that song is rediculously annoying too.

SlY_DeMoN · Jul 28, 2005, 08:41 PM // 20:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dumachum

Oh please. Shut the **** up. You're aren't better then anyone else. You're an idiot who has bought into this shitty game, even spent immense time flaming this same shitty game with other "pseude-elitists" from alpha or beta or whatever you use to rationalise superiority. Now you're going to defend the game tooth and nail and turn on someone when someone OTHER THAN YOU starts attacking it.

No YOU SHUTUP, I don't know why anyone put up with you stupid crap assed posts to begin with. If you going to whine and **** then do so with people who give a ****. This is neither the right forum for your stupidity nor do you have any right to criticize Guild Wars.

Since you have no thoughtful suggestions nor did you ever give a reason beyond “They don't update enough" I'm going to guess that you play games because you have "nothing better to do" instead of playing games because you "enjoy games". You don't like guild wars, fine cause we hate you.

I hope you do leave, that way I don't have to deal with your ****.

MSecorsky · Jul 28, 2005, 08:46 PM // 20:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fanta

since this thread is supposed to be about the video, i think its pathetically stupid, i didnt laugh at it once. i thought it was just a poorly made video that you could do with a lot of the games that are out there right now. that song is rediculously annoying too.

Funny, I got a chuckle out of it. But if WoW needs to sue the nudity to keep the kids paying, more power to 'em.

At least GW characters remember to put on their undies... and the chicks are hotter.